tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post2403133218929994079..comments2024-03-08T15:14:31.312-05:00Comments on Landless: WorkshoppedTony Nolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15090583562737225942noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-91135325239553150752010-02-23T10:43:43.164-05:002010-02-23T10:43:43.164-05:00Not at all, Lou, this made a lot of good "cen...Not at all, <b>Lou</b>, this made a lot of good "cents". I don't really need a class on grammar and the basics of dialogue; as you said, I'm past that point of needing instruction in the mechanics. <br /><br />What is beyond the mechanics? Art.<br /><br /><i>You need a good workshop, which really means a good teacher who knows how to run a good workshop.</i><br /><br />It's tricky to know in advance if a workshop will be good, run well by a good teacher. I've never done one, so I'd have to rely on reviews & reputation and otherwise just take a chance.<br /><br />Either in a local event or in an online class, as <b>Jodi</b> suggests, I'll see what I can find.Tony Nolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090583562737225942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-77175505191571203982010-02-23T07:36:37.828-05:002010-02-23T07:36:37.828-05:00Just my opinion: You know how to write, you don&#...Just my opinion: You know how to write, you don't need 'instruction' as thought of in a traditional sense. You need a good workshop, which really means a good teacher who knows how to run a good workshop. At this stage, I think it will be more about finding those things you (we) are blind to and developing a more critical eye on your work and the work of others through the workshop process. You gain so much when other people put their work up and you see what people like/dislike about their stories. It's just a great way to identify your own strengths and weaknesses and also find inspiration in what others are putting up each weeek. And I am sure this was may more cents than you wanted from me. ;-)Lou Freshwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08849342766852653969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-69153580087734924422010-02-22T22:18:26.297-05:002010-02-22T22:18:26.297-05:00You know what Tony - with the exception of going a...You know what Tony - with the exception of going along to a World Building Masterclass... I just go along and be open to getting something out of it.<br /><br />I've been most focused on short story courses etc and thinking seriously about doing an online couse which is stuctured to support you to complete a novel length manuscript.<br /><br />Just find something you think looks interesting... and don't worry so much on what you think yu 'need'... after all, writing is about fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-44402356049727735872010-02-22T17:06:36.399-05:002010-02-22T17:06:36.399-05:00Lou & Jodi: Thanks for sharing your experience...<b>Lou & Jodi</b>: Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm becoming more and more convinced that I should seek out a formal course of some kind.<br /><br />There is a large conference here in Philadelphia, held annually. Philadelphia is a major metro area, and New York, Baltimore and Washington D.C. are each with a two-hour drive. I haven't tried to search yet, but I imagine I could find whatever I wanted.<br /><br />Now, if only I knew what help and instruction I wanted. Or more importantly, what I needed...Tony Nolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090583562737225942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-59214846611021550132010-02-22T06:28:33.234-05:002010-02-22T06:28:33.234-05:00I joined the Queensland Writing Centre the first y...I joined the Queensland Writing Centre the first year I started to write seriously and each year I try and take at least one short course with them.<br /><br />Each time I'm learnt something, plus got the opportunity to sit and meet other writers.<br /><br />Last year I did a six month critting course (six classes across the six months) and purposely took it to improve my ability to discern what was good and what needed improvement in someone's writing (to support what I was doing with CW) but also to be able to look at my work and to see what was good and what needed work.<br /><br />I agree that the more I interact with writers, the more I ask other to read and review my work, the better my work has got. My last three stories all are credits to those who read at the beta stage.<br /><br />And it is a process of working out what comments work and what comments don't. I always have the immediate "That's not true... this HAS to stay in." Then the following day when I look back, I realise whoever commented that way was spot on.<br /><br />So this is a long winded way of saying - yes, a short course is well worth the time and money invested. <br /><br />Do you have a writers centre in your state?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-27279204342454469462010-02-21T15:56:13.104-05:002010-02-21T15:56:13.104-05:00I'm about to get my degree in Eng w/ a minor i...I'm about to get my degree in Eng w/ a minor in creative writing, so I've taken quite a few workshops. One bonus is that people tend to be more brutal in class than online, which kind of seems counter-intuitive. I also think Linda is spot-on about there being as much to gain from giving a good, honest, crit as there is from getting one. <br /><br />And I think going into the experience as an adult, which I did (an old adult) makes a difference because you do know how to filter the comments on a more mature level. I would definitely recommend finding something that would fit in with your life. I went to a community college for two years, and I know you can sign up to take classes at most of them without being enrolled in a program. If a workshop is led by a good teacher, it is worth the effort. <br /><br />Having said that, I feel like I have some trusted readers now and that is the real treasure.Lou Freshwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08849342766852653969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-69108643266705605022010-02-21T14:54:04.367-05:002010-02-21T14:54:04.367-05:00Linda: I know that my rate of progress has acceler...<b>Linda</b>: I know that my rate of progress has accelerated enormously since I started interacting with other writers. Truly solitary work is too easy to devolve into nothing more than navel gazing.<br /><br />Your comment about listening to and responding to comments is spot on. At first, every time someone said something good about my writing, I though "I Have Arrived!". Every bad comments meant, "I Am A Failure".<br /><br />I think I'm more balanced these days. Sometimes, a comment is just off base, or is coming from a reader perspective that I can't address with that piece of writing.<br /><br />While pursuing an MA/MFA is out of the question for me, I have been giving more and more thought to identifying a one- or two-day something or other, just to see what I might learn from it. It sounds as though you found the time to be well spent.Tony Nolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15090583562737225942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7797188666559531190.post-61670792339539167492010-02-21T14:27:09.197-05:002010-02-21T14:27:09.197-05:00Tony, I'm similarly 'untrained' in lit...Tony, I'm similarly 'untrained' in lit and writing (I play a scientist by day) and have wondered the same question myself, though I'm thinking more along the lines of MA/MFA in creative writing. I've done classes and workshops, online and in person. All -- invaluable. You learn as much critting your peers as getting critted yourself. But... it's important, imho, to be able to discern when a comment is on target -- or not. Else you spend a lot of time chasing your tail. I've made some marvelous relationships with pubbed writers and non-pubbed along the way, also a wonderful side effect to such a solitary pursuit. Peace, LindaLindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110078016784294934noreply@blogger.com